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Chatting with ChatGPT: AI’s Perceptions of Oral History 

During the last year, artificial intelligence has made increased in-roads into many facets of society. Yet what does it pose for the field of oral history? Duquesne University professor Jennifer Taylor worked with her Intro to Oral History students to investigate some of the implications for ChatGPT and oral history.  The provoking post opens possibilities for new research as well as alerts oral historians to the challenges we may face when we welcome AI to the interview process.

By Mallory Petrucci, Jennifer Taylor, ChatGPT?, Tommy DeMauro, Destiny Greene, Evan Houser, Nina Merkle, John Nicotra, Haley Oroho, Elizabeth Sharp, Ellie Troiani, and Lane Yost. 

In this blog post, Dr. Jennifer Taylor, her Introduction to Oral History undergraduate students at Duquesne University, and ChatGPT explore the complexities involved in utilizing artificial intelligence technology in the field of oral history. We discuss our experiences, including the challenges and limitations we faced while using ChatGPT to transcribe oral histories, define key terms, generate oral histories, verify their reliability, and ultimately write this blog. 

A Twitter post by Dr. Mustaq Bilal on transcribing a lecture using Microsoft Word and ChatGPT prompted the class exercise. First, we created a shared Google Doc for note-taking to share ideas and feedback. We began by attempting to transcribe a fifty-five-second clip from oral histories Dr. Taylor conducted with docents at the Museum of the Reconstruction Era at the Woodrow Wilson Family Home in Columbia, SC. In our first trial, we used the dictation button in Word; however, it would only work if the Word tab was the main tab opened, preventing playback of the oral history on the same device. We adjusted the process by downloading the sound link into the Word document, which did not resolve the issue. Ultimately, we concluded that we would have to play the recording on another device. Word struggled to transcribe with the muddled, soft playback through two speakers and edited out important details in real-time.

ChatGPT’s response to the prompt “Define Crisis Oral History” given on March 16, 2023.

The class chose to shift focus and ask ChatGPT questions about oral history, including “What is oral history?” and “What is Crisis Oral History?” The responses were informative and well done, though one response did leave out anonymity as a critical component of crisis oral history. Nonetheless, the results were not compelling. After some discussion, we decided to ask ChatGPT to write an oral history for us, which proved to be a fascinating test and led us to our experiments we describe in this post. 

ChatGPT’s generic response to our first Hurricane Sandy prompt, “Create an oral history about Hurricane Sandy,” on March 16, 2023. Note the common first names and simple stories.

We prompted ChatGPT to create an oral history about Hurricane Sandy. Earlier in the semester we read Abigail Perkiss’s OHR article on her Hurricane Sandy oral history project, Staring Out to Sea and the Transformative Power of Oral History for Undergraduate Interviewers,” so we felt comfortable working with this subject. The resulting narrative was not descriptive nor historically accurate, which raises questions about ChatGPT. It was unclear if ChatGPT pulled from existing real sources to generate this oral history.

As an experiment to check sources, the class attempted to create an oral history for a specific person, Aki Kurose. The class used Kurose’s oral history from Densho for a found poem exercise earlier in the semester. The initial response from ChatGPT was a biography rather than an oral history and contained factual errors.

The initial response from ChatGPT when asked to generate an oral history with Aki Kurose,  March 16, 2023.

A second and more detailed response from ChatGPT when asked about Kurose. 

However, when the class provided ChatGPT with specific information about Kurose’s internment camp location, the AI program was able to provide a more accurate oral history. We continued to run Hurricane Sandy prompts to assess accuracy, AI form, and repetition. Following numerous prompts, ChatGPT provided quotes from five interviewees, which is unusual for oral histories as they are typically conducted with only one person at a time. As a result, the class changed the prompt to “find oral history quotes from Hurricane Sandy” and set out to develop a strategy to check authenticity of oral history quotes provided by ChatGPT. 

Another example of a Hurricane Sandy prompt to and response from ChatGPT.

The class implemented a series of strategies to assess the reliability of ChatGPT’s responses. The first involved the students searching the internet using the verbatim words provided by the ChatGPT-generated narratives. For instance, Ellie found that one of the quotes provided by ChatGPT was from an Earth Wind and Fire song, indicating that the quote was not related to Hurricane Sandy. One student noted that ChatGPT’s language did not mirror the meteorologist reports of Hurricane Sandy unfolding. 

On March 30, 2023, students prompted ChatGPT to provide sources for its Hurricane Sandy response. When asked to provide specific citations from one of these sources, PhillyMag.com, Chat-GPT gave fake website links to the students. Although the quotes and names are specific, none of the citations led to real sources.

When asked to provide sources, Chat-GPT provided fake references and website links to the students. The class discovered that ChatGPT made up some of the people’s names and provided generic news organizations without specific citations. Therefore, the students asked ChatGPT to provide specific sourcing. With this prompt, it provided links that did not work and likely invented the article titles on PhillyMag.com. 

Additionally, students also used plagiarism checkers to verify quoted content. Grammarly’s plagiarism algorithm did not recognize any instances of plagiarism. However, students found that certain quotes were pulled from non-Sandy hurricane interviews. These processes led the students to suspect that ChatGPT created generic narratives by piecing together various sources based on a wide-range of information related to hurricanes available on the web. 

Dr. Taylor was curious about ChatGPT’s ability to recreate a narrative of an enslaved person, given the prevalence of WPA Slave Narratives on the internet, which are problematic due to the use of dialectic and mostly white interviewers. However, ChatGPT did not produce one for ethical reasons.

ChatGPT rejected creating a slave narrative on March 8, 2023.

 

Students in Dr. Taylor’s graduate course, Digital Humanities for the Historian, took an interest in our project and tried their own related prompts. One received an oral history from an enslaved person in response, but the resulting narrative was vague and lacked detail. For another student, ChatGPT created an oral history from an enslaved person from the seventeenth century. The oral history class tried this same time period centered prompt. Although the resulting story was more detailed, it also contained factual inaccuracies. This again highlights the importance of verifying the information provided by ChatGPT. As ChatGPT continued to be trained and updated, subsequent prompts yielded the histories of two well-known seventeenth century men who had been enslaved. 

ChatGPT created two different histories “of an enslaved person from the 17th century” for two different oral history prompts. ChatGPT based its responses on two historical figures, Olaudah Equiano and Toussaint Louverture.

A second narrative created when we asked ChatGPT to create an oral history of an enslaved person.

After completing several trials with Hurricane Sandy and enslaved narrative prompts, students set out to write this blog post. We decided to see how well ChatGPT could draft a blog from Mallory’s detailed, bullet-pointed notes in our Google document. ChatGPT produced a short post when we supplied it with the entire notes document, but it failed to capture the nuance of our experiments. As a result, we fed ChatGPT individual sections of the outline with a clear topic and prompt to write a detailed paragraph. We asked for multiple paragraphs for longer outline sections. ChatGPT produced 1934 words in total, including an introduction and conclusion. Dr. Taylor heavily edited this content, reducing the word count by nearly half and cutting superfluous content (and Oral History Review editors made additional suggestions before publishing here). Finally, the class reviewed these edits, added screenshots of our prompts and ChatGPT responses and hyperlinked relevant information within the blog. 

As oral historians, we thoroughly enjoyed exploring the potential of ChatGPT and AI in the oral history field; however, AI’s limitations outweigh its usefulness at this time. Our experimentation with prompts, fact-checking results, and requesting citations revealed that ChatGPT does not have a firm understanding of oral history or its definition. Verification of content is essential for any practitioner considering incorporating AI into their research or classroom. As ChatGPT explained, “While AI technology is a promising tool, it should be used in conjunction with critical thinking and human insight to ensure the accuracy and reliability of research.” Good advice!


Mallory Petrucci recently graduated with a double major in history and classics and earned a public history certificate. She will pursue a Master of Arts in Art Policy and Administration at Ohio State University. Jennifer Taylor is assistant professor of public history and taught the course. ChatGPT defines itself as a powerful language model designed to assist and engage in conversation with users, providing information, generating text, and facilitating various tasks. Tommy DeMauro, after pursuing a double major in English and history, will return to Duquesne in the fall for the Public History MA program. Destiny Greene and Elizabeth Sharp are both juniors majoring in history and pursuing a public history certificate. Sharp is also a minor in Women and Gender studies. Evan Houser, from Gordon, Pennsylvania, is a freshman history and law major. Nina Merkle is a junior pursuing a dual degree in secondary education and history. Haley Oroho is a junior majoring in history and political science. Ellie Troiani is a budding public historian who double majors in history and theater arts. 

Introduction to Oral History is an undergraduate history course offered at Duquesne University to fulfill requirements for both the history major and public history certificate. This course begins with the theoretical question “What is oral history?” and explores memory, legal and ethical issues, and how best to document and preserve people’s stories. In collaboration with the Oral History Initiative at Duquesne’s Gumberg Library, students learn oral history methodology and best practices in conducting oral histories, engaging in research, depositing and transcribing recordings, and dissemination.  

 

Search for New OHR Editorial Team

From the Editors

Maybe you already heard the news…. the current editorial team of Abby, Dave, and Janneken is coming up on the end of their second term at the helm of Oral History Review. Although it has been a rewarding experience—one in which we have had the privilege of working with so many outstanding authors who individually and collectively have advanced the study of the methods and theory of oral history practice and interpretation—at the end of 2023 it will be time to pass the reigns to a new editorial team. Maybe that is you?

Our parent organization, the Oral History Association, is actively accepting letters of interest from individuals and teams interested in exploring this opportunity through December 15. Please read about the full opportunity and feel free to contact us with any questions about the journal. 

In the short term, OHR also seeks an experienced copy and production editor to help us through the final stages of  publishing each issue. Experience working with oral history scholarship preferred, along with the knowledge of production mark-up. The copy editor receives a stipend from the Oral History Association. Let us know if you’d like to learn more. We are grateful for all the contributions our current copy editor, Elinor Mazé, has made to the success and quality of the journal. 

 

OHR Happy Hour in Los Angeles #OHA2022

Want to learn more about publishing in the flagship Oral History journal or on our blog? Eager to review oral history related books and media projects? Interested in learning about our editorial process or applying to be part of the next editorial team? Confused or curious about the world of academic publishing? Excited to meet the editorial team IN PERSON after these years of virtual hangs?

Join Oral History Review co-editors Janneken, Dave, and Abby for snacks and drinks at Pez Cantina, 401 S Grand Ave, Thursday October 20, 4:45-6, where we will be outdoors on the patio to chat and brainstorm with you.  

Feel free to drop in, but please RSVP so we know if you plan to stop by. We will buy you one drink and have snacks to share. Looking forward to seeing you in LA!


Featured image: Pez Cantina, 401 S. Grand Avenue

Announcing 2022 Virtual Issue

The Oral History Review‘s rich archive of nearly 50 years is full of scholarship to revisit and reconsider. Annually we dig into the archive to assemble a virtual issue on a theme, a valuable practice of learning from the scholars and practitioners who have come before us. This year’s virtual issue doubles as an opportunity to explore the theme of next week’s Oral History Association annual meeting, our first conference in person in three years.

By Janneken Smucker

During the summer of 2022, the editorial team had the pleasure of working with Dominic Amoroso, a senior history major at West Chester University. In addition to bringing his experience navigating Twitter, Dom knew his way around WordPress, the platform we use for this blog, from his own projects and initiatives. Needless to say, Dom was a self-starter and great asset to the team. In addition to Tweeting, corresponding with guest bloggers and OHR authors, conducting an interview for OHR Conversations, and generally assisting with our digital presence, Dom mined the OHR archive in search of articles that resonated with the OHA Annual Meeting theme, “Walking Through the Fire: Human Perseverance in Times of Turmoil.” Dom worked closely with me, identifying potential articles focused on African American history to first share via a group Zotero library, reading and annotating them while connecting them to the conference theme. 

He then drafted an editor’s introduction, and like all contributors to OHR, went through our rigorous developmental editing process of sending edits back and forth, working to create a polished, thoughtful piece. Read Dom’s intro here and see the full table of contents, with links directly to the archive, where our publisher Taylor and Francis has lifted the paywall for these pieces. We are honored to work with student interns like Dom and hope they have opportunities to apply the experience to future endeavors. 

On behalf of the editorial team, we look forward to seeing OHA members in Los Angeles, October 19-22, for more discussions of how oral history can inform how we understand human perseverance. 


Featured image by Marion S Trikosko, [Signs carried by many marchers, during the March on Washington, 1963], Library of Congress via Flickr Commons. 

New Online Training Program: Oral History for Social Change Certificate 

OHR is pleased to share a guest post from our friends at the Institute for Diversity and Civic Life. Eleonora Anneda and Elizabeth M. Melton introduce you to a new online training program: Oral History for Social Change Certificate.

By Eleonora Anneda and Dr. Elizabeth M. Melton

The Institute for Diversity and Civic Life (IDCL) is a growing nonprofit that began in 2015. Our Religions Texas oral history archive features several collections that explore Texas identity and culture, breaking down the stereotypes of what a Texan looks like, believes, and values. In doing so, we advance a vision of a multireligious, multicultural Texas that works for all its people. We seek to amplify underrepresented voices, empower Texans to tell their stories on their own terms, and diversify the historical record.  Over the years, we’ve trained community partners, new staff members, and college students to conduct oral histories and we’ve learned a lot about the process of creating an archive from the ground up. When introduced to a new e-learning platform on ReligionAndPublicLife.org we knew that this would be a great opportunity to take our trainings to the next level. With this in mind, we created the Oral History for Social Change Certificate to provide folks with a guide and toolkit to walk them through the process of designing and implementing an oral history project.

Our curriculum design team came to this project with a range of oral history experiences: Eleonora Anedda holds an M.A. in Oral History from Columbia University, Dr. Elizabeth Melton came to oral history through critical performance ethnography and oral history performance, and Dr. Tiffany Puett established IDCL’s Religions Texas Oral History project and archive. The Oral History for Social Change certificate represents the best of our knowledge, experiences, and training in oral history. We at IDCL believe that oral history is a powerful tool for social change. The stories we share can help us describe the world as it is, but they can also be spaces where we identify social problems and imagine social alternatives. Of course, it is one thing to declare the potential of an oral history project to change the world and an entirely other thing to make it happen. Seeing an oral history project from inception to completion can be an intimidating process.

Our certificate program is an asynchronous 15-hour experience for online learners and consists of five on-demand courses that will help learners navigate the practice of community-based oral history:

HUM 301: Introduction to Oral History
HUM 302: Oral History and Social Justice
HUM 303: Oral History Project Planning
HUM 304: Conducting Oral History Interviews
HUM 305: Archiving and Curating Oral Histories

We have designed each course to stand on its own, but the courses are most comprehensive when completed together as the full certificate. Course one focuses on the origins of oral history as a formal methodology and the second course delves into oral history’s relationship to social justice, anti-oppression frameworks, and ethical issues. Courses three through five provide more technical instruction on the tools and skills needed to successfully plan, collect, and archive oral history narratives. 

We use a combination of video, audio, interactive exercises, and workbooks to guide learners through the curriculum. The program provides learners with the opportunity to explore the method of oral history and the ways it can be used for social causes and community organizing, and to understand ethical approaches for planning and implementing oral history projects. From a more practical standpoint, through the certificate, attendees discover practical guides, tips, and resources for designing and completing each step in an oral history project, and will have a chance to review notable oral history projects. 

One of our primary commitments in designing this training was to make sure we created something that would help oral historians conduct projects ethically, responsibly, and with a full understanding of the field of oral history and its community of scholars. With this in mind, the certificate includes a series of short interviews that we conducted with established practitioners as well as a three-episode podcast series on renowned scholars. We present academic oral history as it overlaps, intersects, and diverges with indigenous oral history. We felt that by including the history of the field—with late 20th century, and early 21st, views and theories from key figures including Luisa Passerini, Alessandro Portelli, and Linda Shopes, coupled with the current understanding that reclaims and rethinks oral history (Farina King, Nēpia Mahuika)—we would offer attendees a more rounded perspective on this method. Practitioners of all levels can appreciate how indigenous oral history practices are rooted in oral history methods and theory, and can also acknowledge the colonial history of oral history. 

As most oral historians’ careers are grounded in the work of relationship-building and community, throughout the certificate, we invite learners to think about the legal, ethical, and moral obligations between themselves and the narrators. We introduce concepts like shared authority and co-authorship to encourage practitioners to brainstorm the types of collaboration they envision with narrators and their communities.

We designed the certificate with our oral history community in mind, so whether you’re new to oral history or a more experienced practitioner, we hope you will find the conversations, tools, and resources in the curriculum useful. One of the benefits of the asynchronous format is that learners can complete the lessons on their own timetable. We also worked to make the certificate as rich and comprehensive as possible, while keeping the cost of enrollment low.

The certificate is currently live and anyone can enroll in the certificate by visiting the IDCL bookstore on ReligionAndPublicLife.org.  You can complete the course entirely on your own time and schedule, but if you’re interested in more engagement we have a few options in the works. Our goal is to add a capstone component to the course so college students can receive university credit for completing the course, but that will come later in 2023. For now, we are organizing a Winter 2023 cohort where members will still complete the course asynchronously, but in community with one another. Cohort members will meet virtually with course designers, Ele and Elizabeth, at the beginning and end of the cohort period and complete the certificate courses at the own pace over a period of six weeks. Everyone will remain in contact using the course’s discussion board as cohort members independently make their way through the course material. Each person who enrolls in the cohort is invited to meet individually with the course designers to troubleshoot problems, discuss challenges they encounter, and receive individualized feedback about the oral history project they hope to design. Finally, each participant will have the opportunity to showcase their oral history project design and receive feedback and support from the entire cohort at the end of the course period. Our aim is to provide a space of support and community for online learners as they imagine and design exciting, new oral history projects committed to social change.

If your university would like to offer course credit for this certificate, please be in touch with us. You can reach us via email: elizabeth@diversityandciviclife.org and eleonora@diversityandciviclife.org. For more information about this training certificate please visit our website: https://diversityandciviclife.org/resources/oral-history-training-and-certificate/.


Dr. Elizabeth M. Melton is IDCL’s Public Engagement Director. She completed her Ph.D. in Communication at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. During her time at UNC, she created, Unpacking Longview, an anti-racist play based on oral histories she collected about public school desegregation in her East Texas hometown. You can read about her work in the Oral History Review and our blog.

Eleonora Anedda is an oral historian from Sardegna, Italy. She holds an M.A. in Oral History from Columbia University and came to the field from a Gender Studies background. She cares about documenting and preserving untold stories of individuals, families, and communities. Eleonora has worked closely with historians, ethnographers, and community organizers on various research projects—at the Institute for Diversity and Civic Life she serves as an Oral Historian and Curriculum Specialist.

A Multi-sensory Approach to Oral History

Our new issue features Wesley Hogan, Geri Augusto, & Danita Mason-Hogans’s  “Adapting Critical Oral History Methodology to Freedom Movement Studies,” discussing the use of critical oral history methodology in examining freedom movements. Here the authors offer a way for oral historians to draw on their senses before entering a critical oral history session.

By Wesley Hogan, Geri Augusto, & Danita Mason-Hogans,

As oral historians, we often hear from narrators about their senses: smells they remember, or how it felt when someone touched them, a meal they’ll never forget, how they felt the first time they saw a particular person or event. We hear what went through their mind the first time they listened to an impactful person’s voice. Oral history, in this way, is a record of a multi-sensory experience. So when we set out to adopt the Critical Oral History (COH) methodology in 2016 with civil rights veterans, tone and ambience were central to the success of our three-day oral history sessions. We tried to transform a university setting into space soaked in the Black-led freedom movement’s cultural norms. Kristina Williams, a Duke history graduate student, created a 50+ song Spotify playlist. Oral history for our team started with Motown and Sam Cooke, the music that greeted everyone upon entry to the three-day conferences. The soundtrack kept us energized during the lunch hours, and perked us up as we left the afternoon sessions each day. Songs not only made our collective space familiar, but encouraged people to share memories prompted by the soundtrack. 

Project Manager Danita Mason-Hogans made sure to have food typical in the South adapted to COH participants’ dietary restrictions, of which she made careful note. In one extraordinary moment, her family brought in four fresh pies and cakes at the conclusion of the last day’s dinner in 2016, invoking a long history of shared meals after church on Sundays across the region. You’ll see the poundcake recipe below. As the delicious aroma of apple and berry pies and sugary fresh poundcake filled the space, feasting together built a different level of community among us.  Finally, slideshow of images from SNCC’s movement activities played in the background in the morning and during lunch of every COH day. Photographers were on hand to make pictures of artifacts and documents that participants brought with them from personal archives; participants often invited others to touch and examine these artifacts, thumbing through mimeographed position papers, weighing the heft of treasured objects like a Kodak Brownie camera, and hearing the first-hand stories of people in treasured photographs. This brought all of one’s senses to the construction of knowledge.  

 Pat Mason’s Cream Cheese Pound Cake 

8oz cream cheese 
3 sticks butter 
3 cups sugar 
6 eggs 
3 cups sifted cake flour 
2 teaspoons vanilla flavoring 

  • Preheat oven to 325. Blend cream cheese and butter. Add sugar and blend until fluffy. Add eggs, one at a time. Add flour and vanilla. Pour into a greased and floured 10 inch tube pan at 325 for 1 hour to an hour 10 minutes.
  • Optional – Before pouring batter in the pan, Sprinkle 1/2 cups pecans in a greased and floured 10-inch tube pan; then add batter.  

Wesley Hogan is Research Professor at the John Hope Franklin Humanities Institute. In June 2021, she concluded an 8-year tenure as Director of the Center for Documentary Studies at Duke. Between 2003-2013, she taught at Virginia State University, where she worked with the Algebra Project and the Young People’s Project. She writes and teaches the history of youth social movements, human rights, documentary, and oral history.

Geri Augusto is a longtime scholar and former activist at the intersection between the politics of knowledge, knowledge practices, creative expression, and struggles for equality and justice in unequal, highly diverse societies and communities. She is the Director of the Undergraduate Development Studies program, a faculty associate at Brown’s Center for the Study of Slavery and Justice (CSSJ), an affiliate in the Africana Studies Department and at the Center for Latin American and Caribbean Studies (CLACS), and a former visiting associate professor of International and Public Affairs and Africana Studies.

Danita Mason-Hogans, MA is an award-winning civil rights historian, educator, speaker, writer  and activist. Danita is a native of Chapel Hill, NC from seven generations on both sides of her family. The daughter of Dave Mason of the Chapel Hill Nine, who began the first sit-in of Chapel Hill’s civil rights’ movement, igniting decade of protests against segregation.Danita’s acclaimed TEDx Talk “Why the Way We Tell Stories is A Social Justice Issue” was featured on TED where she describes the Critical Oral History methodology, which she uses for her podcast RE/Collecting Chapel Hill.

Featured image from Flickr user Wolftracker used with CC BY 2.0 license.

Author Interview: Malin Thor Tureby on Crisis Documentation

In our upcoming issue of OHR (49.2), Malin Thor Tureby and Kristin  Wagrell discuss crisis documentation methods and the impact of digital and social media in their article, “Crisis Documentation and Oral History: Problematizing Collecting and Preserving Practices in a Digital World.” Here Tureby answers our questions about the Swedish context for oral history and ways to approach documentation using oral history in the midst of crisis. 

Q: At the beginning of the article, you state that Sweden is a country that lacks a track record of professional oral history. Has the needle moved at all to where professional oral history is increasing its prescience there? If so, how? What could other countries in a similar predicament learn from Sweden’s experience? 

The long absence of professional oral history as practice in Sweden has meant that other professions, disciplines, and institutions have come to define the collection, archiving, and use of recorded and archived personal memories and life stories in research and public history. In contrast to researchers in countries like the UK, where scholars perceived oral history practices as groundbreaking in the 1970s, Swedish ethnologists had an already established tradition of collecting objects and stories of everyday life. Thus, the opinion was that the perspectives potentially provided by oral history had already been covered.  However, one could also argue that historians from the research field of labour history began to use interviews in the 1970’s. Few of these otherwise very interesting and relevant studies, does not however include any theoretical or methodological discussions of oral history, except for discussing the oral sources in relation to classical source criticism. A common denominator for these books and dissertations on work, work processes and workplaces are that many of them have had an emancipatory aspiration and a history from below-approach. The emancipatory power of oral history is thus emphasized, but not problematized or theorized. The epistemological and methodical debates that took place internationally on oral history during the 1970s and onwards is thus lacking in the historical field in Sweden at the same time. Yet, when the international organization The International Oral History Association (IOHA) was founded in 1996, it was founded in Gothenburg, Sweden. It was not an historian but an ethnologist, Birgitta Skarin, that was elected as a representative of Europe in the Council of the International Oral History Association (IOHA).  

I also think that this is something that is distinctive for the history of professional oral history in Sweden. There have been very little dialogues between scholars from different disciplines practicing oral history or other kinds of ethnographic fieldwork. This was something that we wanted change when we in 2012 we got funding to establish what would become Oral History in Sweden (OHIS). The purpose with OHIS was to try to create a platform for researchers with different backgrounds, inputs to and experiences of working with oral history. The purpose with OHIS was to unite, gather and learn from each other from different generations of scholars and from different disciplines. 

At the same time, in an international context, oral history is often associated with public history. This willingness to engage with oral history in a public context differs from how it has been dealt with by Swedish scholars who have been more focused on “history from below” or ethnology/folklore studies. Oral history research in a Nordic context has in the past primarily been conducted by academics for the purpose of a specific research project, and thus community projects and archives have not been very common. In Sweden as well as in other Nordic countries, participatory practices are now debated, and interviews are currently carried out at a large scale by state-sponsored commissions tasked to document past injustices against minority groups and oral history also plays an important part in the creation of new museums like the newly established Swedish Holocaust Museum. Still, I would I argue that we still cannot claim that oral history is a research field in Sweden. Although we have been trying to create different platforms for promoting dialogues between researchers from different disciplines. An identity as oral historian or a research field of oral history does not exist in Sweden although researchers and scholars from different disciplines are working with oral history and theories and practices for example shared/sharing authority. I don’t know what other countries can learn from the Swedish experience. For me oral history is all about learning together. During the Congress for Nordic Historians that took place in August 2022 oral historians from Sweden, Finland and Norway organized a roundtable together to discuss and understand the past, present and future of oral history in the Nordic countries.  Together we started to explore what theoretical and methodological developments we can see in the field of oral history in the Nordic Countries? What are the major trends and how has our understanding and practice of oral history changed/not changed over time and space? What similarities and differences are there between the history and practice of oral history in the Nordic countries? I am very much looking forward to continuing our discussions and to explore these questions with my colleagues and fellow oral historians from the other Nordic countries to find out ways for how we in the future can cooperate and learn from each other. 

Q: Tell our readers about crisis collecting. What is it and what are its challenges? 

Crisis collecting, documenting in times of crisis or Rapid Response collecting or whatever you would like to call it is when institutions or individuals are taking an opportunity to record and document what they believe is a historic situation as they happen. In the museum-sector it is today called Rapid Response Collecting. I would argue, however, that this is not a new practice. People has always documented in times of crisis or. For example, during the Holocaust many individuals and groups, as for example the Oneg Shabbat group, started to record and document, by doing interviews, drawings, life stories etc., what was going on in order so that someone in the future could write their history. They were documenting their own experiences and trauma and with the knowledge that they would most probably not survive. They did this by interviewing people and by documenting everyday life in the ghetto. The Oneg Shabbat Archives, and other similar initiatives and groups during the Holocaust, is one example of how important oral history work (although not called oral history at the time) has been done in times of war, crisis and catastrophe and also that “crisis documentation” has its own history and historiographies. Today we more often think about crisis collection as archivists, oral historians or heritage organizations’ response to crisis. 

I believe the challenges for crisis collection is in many ways different ethical dilemmas. Questions that we need to ask ourselves as oral historians, archivists or heritage workers are if people really want us document them during times of crisis? And if so, how would they like to be documented, recorded, and represented? As professional historians we think it is important to collect, record and create sources for future historians to work with. But do all people really want their personal or collective experience and/or trauma to be “collected” by an archivist or oral historian and transformed into a source or a story in the archive or museum? Maybe some people prefer to document and interpret on their own terms before they are ready to share their experience with the archivist or oral historian? In a Swedish/Nordic context we really need to discuss and produce Ethical guidelines and “bets-practices” for crisis collecting and archiving. 

Q: What would you say are effective ways for historians to make the right choices on what to collect and record while working in a realm of urgency to document a crisis? 

I do not believe that there is an effective way to make the right choices on what to collect and record. What is important is to document and reflect during and immediately after the collecting: how and why the choices to collect and from whom and how to collect certain stories was made to explain for future historians why certain choices was made and how this shaped the form of the interviews and the collection. An important question to ask is: for whom is it urgent to document a crisis and why? 

Q: In the article, you highlight several projects that take very different approaches. Which approach would you say translates best across most forms of archiving oral history? Which approach do you see evolving? 

Again, I do not think there is one way or forms of archiving oral history that translates best. The most important thing is to always practice transparency and to document and explain how and why the interviews were created and the collection designed and archived in a certain way.  

Q: How do you see oral history and its practices continuing to evolve in the digital age? 

This is a huge and difficult question. Digitization is often framed as a process or tool for democratization that guarantees and broadens access to and inclusion in culture, history, heritage, and education. Governmental initiatives in the Nordic countries have all underscored how digitalization can nurture cohesion in society. Diversifying and democratizing cultural heritage and history through digital measures is, however, a complex and intricate process that is dependent on digital infrastructures, the development of professional proficiencies, and a deeper understanding of the non-digitized archives and their creators.  Compared to many other countries, digital-born life stories or the digitization of personal memories and oral history from so-called vulnerable groups such as for example ethnic minorities or migrants, in Nordic cultural institutions and online archives is limited, because all the Nordic countries have strict personal data acts. One important topic for oral historians is therefor to identify and explore some of the current contradictions and complexities that have arisen in the gaps between the previous practices of oral history research, new legislation on ethics, and the more recent public policy developments on digitization, open access, democratization, and accessibility.  


Malin Thor Tureby is Professor of History at Malmö University in Sweden. Her currently research interests lie in the history of survivor activism, Jewish women’s history, and the archival and digital practices of cultural heritage institutions. She is presently the PI for the Swedish Research team in the consortium Digital Heritage in Cultural Conflicts (DigiCONFLICT) funded by JPICH & the Swedish National Heritage Board and the PI/PL for the research projects Narratives as Cultural Heritage and Jewish and Woman, both funded by The Swedish Research Council.

Featured image from Flickr user Aremac used with CC BY 2.0

 

 

Partition and Oral Histories: Some Personal Recollections

In our upcoming issue of OHR (49.2), Pippa Virdee discusses how shifts in how oral history has been documented and shared impact our understanding of the partition of India and Pakistan in her article “Histories and Memories in the Digital Age of Partition Studies.” Today, the 75th anniversary of Partition, is an apt time to reflect on the changing ways we document and share that history. Access Virdee’s article online in advance of the issue.

By Pippa Virdee

This year marks 75 years since the Partition/Independence of India and Pakistan. Independence from colonial rule was supposed to usher in a new dawn of freedom, but it was marred with violence that accompanied and led to the forced migration of the “other” (minority) community. The impact reverberated far and beyond the new lines of control, however, it was especially concentrated in the two provinces of Punjab and Bengal, which were divided to create the new international border. The generation that witnessed this horrific and turbulent episode has all but disappeared now; what remains are the people who have inherited the legacies of this division based on religion.

Exchange of goods, which were done manually (2005)

In 2000, I began my doctoral research to examine the impact of this Partition, focusing on the divided region of Punjab. I had planned to use the case studies of Ludhiana and Malerkotla in India and Lyallpur (renamed Faisalabad in 1979) in Pakistan. Through these, I planned to examine the impact of violence, or the lack of it as in the case of Malerkotla, migration (forced or voluntary), and eventually the resettlement of refugees. The research relied on first-hand testimonies in these three locations, supplemented by other documentary sources. In 2009, I followed up my research interests on Partition, this time focusing just on women’s experiences.   

 

Expansion of the seating for the tourist that come to the Flag lowering ceremony (pictures from 2016-17).

In undertaking my research between 2001 and 2019, I crossed the Wagah-Attari border, which is the official land crossing between India and Pakistan, numerous times, too many to recount. This is a privileged position, because the average Pakistani or Indian national is not able to cross this international border so easily, even if they manage to get a visa. The border since I first crossed it has changed from what was essentially a small crossing on the Grand Trunk Road, literally a road divided, to a highly securitized international border. The establishment of a goods depot offered signs of improved trade between the two countries, but even this is subject to cordial relations. 

During these numerous crossings, I have seen the border change, physically, and politically. Whenever possible I have attempted to take some photographs to document these trips. However, when I first crossed the border, I had a small compact camera, which used film; they were not cheap and the 35mm film was expensive too, both to buy and to develop, so I took photos sparingly. I of course embraced the convenience and immediacy of digital technology and now my mobile phone takes much better photos than any of the earlier cameras I had. The swiftness of that technological change has been amazing, and it also plays out in the ways that I recorded my oral interviews with people who had migrated during the Partition in 1947. I started with cassettes; the 60-minute tape was usually enough for an interview and switching the tape over after 30 minutes offered a natural break. The break was either a natural end to the interview or it offered an opportunity to pause, think, reflect, and then continue. Mini discs and compact discs also came and went, replaced by Dictaphones/MP3 recorders, and now again the smart phone has made all those redundant.

These changes in technology and how we record and document oral histories has had a big impact on how we also study and disseminate these histories. In my case, in early 2000s, I spent four years traveling across the border, recording first-hand accounts of people who had been forced to flee their homes. The pace of the research was slower, allowing me to listen, record, transcribe and reflect between the journeys. Additionally, there were no distractions of social media and no need to instantly share my experiences for university related “impact.” The flip side of this was that the only way to share my research was via discussions with colleagues, academic conferences, or eventually through publication.

 

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The digital turn in oral history has been a catalyst for the development of new research, and as I explore in this essay, has had a profound effect on the study of Partition in the Indian sub-continent. This has impacted the documentation of Partition, the production of its new histories, and ultimately how this history is shared and consumed. My essay in the Oral History Review asks some questions of this growing field, starting with the interrogation of its location, which is largely in the West, away from the partitioned ground in the East, with its socio-political realities. The South Asian Diaspora in the Global North has increasingly engaged with the subject of Partition, where it has come to form a part of the ‘intellectual decolonization’ agenda. 

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More importantly, this essay attempts to question the power dynamics around the ways digital projects can excerpt, de-contextualize, and de-politicize oral testimonies, by reducing them to sound bites for wider social and community engagement, in which audiences consume and share memory via multiple social media platforms. The essay in some ways goes against the current grain, as oral history projects on countless subjects have adopted similar uses of digital audio and video; however, it is important to reflect on the work that we do and how we conduct that research. We need self-doubt, introspection, and criticality, and moreover, without a rigorous academic discussion, the subject cannot grow. Thus, I have attempted to contextualize this discussion and situate it within the wider historiography of oral history and Partition studies.

The old Attari check post, 2013. This no longer exists.

 

Beyond the changes in technology in these past twenty 20 years, the relationship between India and Pakistan has only deteriorated. Between 2016 and 2019, people-to-people connections between the two countries became steadily fewer. Since 2020, Covid has only entrenched the harsh border further. So, when we share moments of joy at seeing a nonagenarian cross the border to visit their former “home,” as seen recently, this is an exception to the rule. Most people will never have that opportunity, as shared with me in numerous interviews that I conducted. While we can celebrate this exception, the reality remains that the politics of division continue to thrive and therefore influence  how we read, contextualize, and teach Partition history.

 

The Ganda Singh Wala and Hussainiwala check point. This land crossing is now closed but there is a daily flag lowering ceremony here too, though it is smaller compared 2017.

 


Pippa Virdee is a historian of India/Pakistani history and an associate professor at De Montfort University in Leicester, England. She has established herself as a scholar of colonial history, particularly the region of the Punjab, which has been shaped by the 1947 Partition. She also has an interest in the South Asian Disapora in Britain and the transformation of cities such as Leicester and Coventry. She is currently working on a project titled ‘Knitting for the Nation: Women and Pakistan. 

Our featured image, courtesy of Pippa, is the entrance of the border crossing in Attari, India  and Wagah, Pakistan. 

 

Author Interview: Katherine Fobear on LGBTQ Oral History Methodology

In our upcoming issue of OHR (49.2), Katherine Fobear discusses project design and the incorporation of visual methods into storytelling for LGBTQ refugees in her article, “The Precariousness of Home and Belonging among Queer Refugees: Using Participatory Photography in Oral Histories in Vancouver, British Columbia.”   

What is it about oral history that makes it an effective methodology for telling the story of LGBTQ refugees?

Oral history provides a valuable pathway for LGBTQ refugees to explore their experiences of migration in all of their complexity without having to confine them to one linear or limited narrative. Stories are essential for LGBTQ refugee seekers. It is through telling their stories that LGBTQ refugees must successfully argue to a Canadian Immigration Refugee Board member or American Asylum Officer that they not only qualify for asylum but are in need of protection. As an oral historian, working with LGBTQ refugees means working with people who have had to tell their stories of persecution, trauma, and migration over and over to various officials and service providers. They are in every sense expert storytellers. But in this constant retelling of their experiences in order to receive asylum, LGBTQ refugees’ narratives are often restricted to a limited and linear state narrative. This state narrative is usually serving Western nations like Canada or the United States by casting LGBTQ refugees as being only or simply victims living in “backward” countries and wanting the freedom that Western progressive countries can offer. This narrative may ring true to many LGBTQ refugees’ experiences, but it isn’t the only narrative and there is of course much more complexity to LGBTQ refugees’ experiences of migration and settlement. 

This is where oral history can be such a valuable methodology to engage with the complexity of LGBTQ refugees’ experiences. At the core of oral history is recognizing and valuing the agency of narrators to guide their narratives. It is about building and recognizing the relationship between narrators and interviewers/researchers and recognizing how both are contributing to the narrative that is being shared. Oral history provides the necessary space for narrators to not only share more detail about their experiences but also to critically think about the past and its impact on their present. This recollection and reflection are not only incredibly important in complicating our understanding of peoples’ experiences, but it puts narrators at the center of analysis. 

How do you prepare for interviews that may ask the victim to recall a traumatic experience? What approach would you suggest to someone new in the field?

First and foremost it is vital to be clear and upfront with participants about the purpose of the project and what the oral history will be used for. Whether this is for a public archive, historical research, or a family or community-centered project, it is essential to be clear as possible about why you are asking individuals to participate and what is your responsibility to them after the interview is over. Regardless of the circumstances in which the interview takes place, there is an incredible privilege in asking questions and asking a participant to share their story. Oral historians must always be aware of the power differentials and dynamics in the research and the relationship they have with the narrators. I really recommend meeting with the person before the interview to go over what will be asked and to give a general sense of the flow or process of the interview. It is here that I discuss with them the potential areas we may cover in the oral history in regards to traumatic incidences of violence and oppression. I explain how they have control over how much they want to discuss and that they have the option to not answer any questions I ask. They also have the option to take a breath, step away, move on, or even leave the interview. 

I do repeat check-ins during the interview. I ask how they are feeling in general, whether they would like to take a breather, and how they are feeling about the interview. Sometimes when asking a question that I perceive to be more difficult or uncomfortable I preface it by saying “I’m going to ask you this question, but you have every right to not answer or tell me what you feel comfortable with sharing…” For me, it is about constantly reaffirming with the narrator that they have equal say in what is being asked of them. I also believe that ending an oral history interview is just as important as starting it. You need to think about care from beginning to end. In structuring the oral history, even if it’s a life narrative, I try to leave the interview in a restful or peaceful place as much as possible. This often involves preparing questions focusing more on positive aspects of a person’s life or having them think about the future. At the end of an oral history interview, I often ask “What is a message you would like others to hear about your experiences? What is a message or knowledge you want them to know about people who share similar experiences?” This allows the narrators to step outside of the immediacy of their experiences and memory to speak to the larger audience who may be reading or listening to their oral history. It provides an avenue for participants to contribute to the analysis of their narratives. 

In the article, you discuss the employment of participatory photography and the role it played in your project. What drew you to this medium? Were there any other media you considered in the process of designing the project?

Through the years, I’ve been more and more interested in art-based methodologies as a means to further articulate meaning, knowledge, and understanding beyond text. I think as oral historians, many of us have experienced the limitation of words to fully express the complexity of human experiences. Bringing art-based methodologies to an oral history project is an exciting way to further explore meaning. Prior to doing photovoice, I worked on a Rainbow Refugee community arts project in which LGBTQ refugee participants shared stories and worked together on a mural and a short video. The experience was incredibly rewarding not only for the participants in being able to bond together but also as a means to advocate against anti-refugee sentiment, racism, and homophobia in Canada. 

When considering how to design this oral history project, I wanted to bring an arts-based methodology into the research. I wanted an arts-based methodology that would allow the participants to work individually, without much guidance from me or a group. Participatory photography or photovoice was a way for participants to connect their oral history experience to exploring themes of home and belonging. It was a way for me to work with the participants one-on-one to further explore their narratives. What came out of it was a really interesting exploration of memory, storytelling, and emotion around home and belonging. The photographs collected and the participants’ interpretation of them were related to what the participants narrated in their multiple oral history interviews. They also went beyond that to explore the everyday experiences of their lives. I really liked the intimacy that photovoice brought to this research. 

For our readers that may not be familiar with these methods what exactly are photovoice and participatory photography?

Photovoice is a participatory visual research method in which photography or image capturing is used as a tool for researchers and participants to understand individuals’ experiences as well as deconstruct and interrogate systemic problems. Photovoice has a long history in public health and public advocacy as a way for participants and their communities to document and analyze social barriers and feelings around health access. Participants are usually given a camera and guiding questions in which they then take photographs representing their experiences or their perspectives on a topic/issue. Researchers then analyze together with participants the meaning and feelings behind the photographs. It is fundamentally about situating research participants as sharing equal responsibility in data collection and analysis. Images become a means by which participants can share their perspectives with others and advocate for change.  

Queer oral history is a growing field. How do you see the field continuing to evolve in the next couple of years?

Oral history has always been a fundamental component of queer historical research. If you think about important queer historical works like Boots of Leather, Slippers of Gold by Elizabeth Kennedy and Madeline Davis, oral history served as the primary methodology because there was a limited historical archive. This is the consequence of homophobic, transphobic, sexist, and racist oppression that continues to marginalize sexual and gender minority communities. When your sexuality or gender identity is criminalized and pathologized as deviant, dangerous, and/or destructive, personal or community artifacts are lost or never created out of fear of being outed or discovered. I understand this very much working with LGBTQ refugees who couldn’t keep mementos or anything documenting their sexual or gender identity out of fear of persecution. What they carry with them are their memories. That is the real importance of oral history in documenting and understanding LGBTQ2+ histories. It is at times only our story and our community’s memories that we have left. 

This is all to say that oral history is not new to queer history. But, queering oral history is new. What I mean by queering oral history is engaging with queer theory in not only the oral history process but our analysis of oral history narratives. Queer theory challenges us to interrogate binary and static ideologies around identity, especially gender and sexual norms. There is a greater emphasis on exploring embodiment and affect, focusing on how memory and attachment are experienced through various senses beyond oral/text narratives. Performance is very much investigated in queer theory and this can be seen in recent works on queer oral history in which authors are exploring how narrators are performing their oral histories. Queer theory encourages researchers to experiment with methodology and to reflexively question positionality and power in research. Applying queer theory to oral history research has meant experimenting with and challenging traditional approaches to oral history methods, such as combining different methodologies like dance or art-based methods with oral history. Recent examples of this can be seen in Colin Whitworth’s article “Bodies in dialogue: offering a model for queer oral history” (Text & Performance Quarterly, 2021) in which the author explores how oral history and performance studies are interconnected. 

I am excited about the rise of research and publications dedicated to queer oral history. What was a very niche field of study and scholarship is rapidly growing. When I started doing queer oral history research almost ten years ago there were a handful of publications and known scholars. I am excited by the possibility of bringing more critical queer theory to the conversation, especially engaging with other fields adjacent to mainstream or popular queer theory such as decolonial queer theory and trans theory. As of right now, I am excited by the growth of publications and researchers. 


Katherine Fobear is an assistant professor of Women’s Studies and coordinator of the upcoming LGBTQ studies minor. Her research and activism focuses on the intersections of race, sexuality, and gender in migration and transitional justice. Her most recent work is with LGBTQ refugees and undocumented persons in Canada. Her new work focuses on the issues that transgender asylum seekers and undocumented persons face in the United States and Canada. She is an affiliate of Rainbow Refugee–a volunteer based organization in Canada dedicated to assisting those fleeing persecution on the basis of their sexual orientation and gender identity.

Featured image from Flickr user Mel Mel used with CC BY 2.0 license.

5 Questions About Civil Rights in Black and Brown

We ask authors of books reviewed in Oral History Review to answer 5 questions about why we should read their books. In our latest installment of the series, Max Krochmal and J. Todd Moye discuss their book Civil Rights in Black and Brown: Histories of Resistance and Struggle in Texas.

Evan Faulkenbury’s review of Civil Rights in Black and Brown will soon be available in OHR Issue 49.2.

What’s it about and why does it matter?

Far from the gaze of the national media, ordinary African American and Mexican American civil rights activists in Texas built not one but two liberation movements, and they did so in conversation with one another. In small towns and huge metropolises across the Lone Star State, they combated its twin caste systems of Jim Crow and his anti-Mexican cousin, Juan Crow. Black and Chicano/a organizers worked first and foremost within their own racial groups, yet they also looked to each other for guidance and support, working together in Black/Brown coalitions that added extra force to their separate struggles. With nothing but their friends and neighbors behind them, Black and Chicano/a activists set out to transform their cities, counties, state, nation, and world. They drew on long traditions of quiet resistance to white supremacy to confront structural racism in every walk of life. Their expansive demands called for not simply integration or access, but also power, equity, and resources.While most research on American race relations has utilized a binary analytical lens—examining either “black” vs. “white” or “Anglo” vs. “Mexican”—the team behind Civil Rights in Black and Brown collects, interprets, and disseminates new oral history interviews with members of all three groups.

How does oral history contribute to your book?  

This book taps a new collection of oral history interviews to tell activists’ stories, in their own words, as they have never been told before. In 2015 and 2016, researchers with the Civil Rights in Black and Brown Oral History Project fanned out across Texas to document first-hand accounts of civil rights activism, broadly defined, in diverse Texas communities large and small. Decades after the fact, memories of past atrocities and resistance, of movements built and battles fought, remained seared in the minds of Black and Chicano/a activists. Anchored in these testimonies and traveling to locales across the state, the chapters in this book reveal the contours of daily life under segregation in Texas and uncover previously-undocumented struggles for equity in education and public services, political self-determination, and an end to state-sanctioned racial violence.The first book of its kind, CRBB is based on hundreds of oral history interviews conducted throughout Texas for the Civil Rights in Black and Brown Oral History Project, which was funded by the National Endowment for the Humanities (NEH) and a few other local foundations. CRBB tackles Texas in all its complexity, considering civil rights organizing in rural and urban communities in the Piney Woods, Rio Grande Valley, High Plains, and major cities of the Lone Star State.   The authors of this book recover the roles of local people in the Black civil rights and Chicano/a movements in Texas and shed new light on the relationships between local, state, and national actors. The book provides fresh insights into inter-ethnic collaboration, conflict, and everything in between—all grounded in the lived experiences of the grassroots organizers and participants in the two intersecting freedom struggles. The book is also accompanied by a free digital humanities website, that features a database of nearly 8,000 searchable video interview clips from the collection, and a digital archive of unclipped interview recordings.

What do you like about using oral history as a methodology?

What’s not to love? Oral history gave us an entry point to a vast human archive of knowledge that we wouldn’t otherwise be able to access. We literally could not tell an accurate version of this history if we weren’t able to access the memories of so many activists (in our case, more than 500 of them).

Why will fellow oral historians be interested in your book?

We hope that the content of the book—each chapter focuses on a specific Texas community and is grounded in the activists’ oral histories—will be interesting in its own right, but we have also included a methodology chapter written by Max that looks behind the curtain of the larger oral history project, digital humanities site, and digital archive, and an appendix of oral history transcript excerpts that should be especially thought-provoking for oral history practitioners.

What is the one thing that you most want readers to remember about the book?

We want readers to remember that Texas has a rich history of civil rights organizing! Texas also has a long and deep history of white supremacy in all its forms, of course, so its multi-racial communities have had to be creative in finding ways to oppose it. These chapters bring those struggles to life. We also hope that readers will use our digital archives for their own research purposes, because there are many more of these stories to be told.


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